A reader commented on one of my recent posts. I think many people who experience anxiety and/or depression feel similar, which is why I wanted to address it.

Reader: “I am a staunch follower of Objectivism [the philosophy of Ayn Rand] and have been for over 25 years. What you are talking about is a normally functioning brain. I know when something is not working right inside my brain and without the right medication there is nothing I can do about it. I have tried gradually decreasing the dosage several times after a long period of normalcy and it comes back and there is no amount of thinking I can do to change it. When the tool is broken it needs to be fixed. And, I know there is no way you can ever understand this without experiencing it. But, as a psychologist, you really need to listen to those who have experienced it. Depression/anxiety not only affects emotions. It causes other pains that shouldn’t be there. You can no more heal a malfunctioning brain by thinking than you can a malfunctioning thyroid. A general physician should know when to send a patient to a heart specialist. A psychologist should know when to send a patient to a psychiatrist. I am damn lucky mine did, or I wouldn’t be here today. Functioning normally, I might add.”

Dr. Orma: I do listen to my clients—that’s part of my job, and the only way I can understand what they’re experiencing emotionally, cognitively, behaviorally, and physically. Assessment is the first thing I, and most psychologists, do in the first sessions. However, in my view, a psychologist is not supposed to just listen to his or her clients (although some mainly just do this), but after listening and gathering the client’s report and history, the therapist should use his or her professional judgment as to what is contributing to the client’s problem(s). A psychologist shouldn’t just take on faith everything his or her client tells him. What clients report is one important part of the picture, but depending on the issue, more information may be needed. The type of information will depend on the type of problem the client is reporting. Assessment is always a work in progress, and things can change over time as the therapist gains more knowledge, and the client gains a deeper understanding of the main issues involved. This is what a therapist’s main job is—to provide professional guidance, knowledge, support, skills, in addition to active listening and understanding.

You’re correct that I may never understand firsthand what it feels like to have certain ailments. But, does this preclude me, or any other therapist, from accurately diagnosing and effectively treating these issues? Are therapists required to have experienced everything their clients have to be able to treat them? Does a therapist, for example, have to have experienced psychosis to treat schizophrenia, or have been phobic to treat a fear of flying? In my experience, this is not the case. Most therapists treat clients with issues they’ve never personally experienced (such as an eating disorder, substance abuse, etc.). Maybe this experience would help in some cases, maybe not. But I don’t think it’s required to be an effective and understanding therapist.

I don’t know your history or any facts about your situation, so I can’t comment on that. I can see where you might infer from my article that I am anti-medication or that I never refer to a psychiatrist. My point was to emphasize that even many cognitive therapists, who hold the view that thoughts/beliefs are the cause of emotions, still maintain there’s a biological component to psychological problems (a view I don’t hold), and thus will refer clients for medication because of this. My view is that, in some situations, medication is certainly warranted and can be helpful, such as with psychosis, severe depression, suicidality, extreme anxiety/panic, and others. In these cases, medication can ease the symptoms and discomfort so the person can function better and address the problem more effectively. It’s the personal choice of the client whether to take medication or not. If a client wants to be referred to a psychiatrist, I certainly honor that. Ultimately, it’s their choice, and ideally they’ll decide this thoughtfully after gathering all the facts about medication (side-effects, effectiveness, cost, etc.).

However, if there’s some suspicion (by me or the client) that the anxiety or depression is coming from a brain problem (as you say yours is), then I would refer him or her to an internist or specialist (such as a neurologist), not a psychiatrist. A psychiatrist will do nothing to examine your brain. Most don’t perform a medical exam or take blood tests, and certainly don’t perform brain scans. Psychiatrists use the same diagnosis methods as psychologists (usually a clinical interview) and use the same reference for diagnosis (the DSM-IV). In fact, it’s psychologists that are actually trained to be specialists in psychological assessment, not psychiatrists. Most psychiatrists (although not all) view psychological problems as mainly biological, and thus, will prescribe medication. Some will also do psychotherapy. A neurologist, on the other hand, will do specific tests on your brain, such as an MRI or CAT Scan. Maybe you’ve had these done and they’ve found an organic problem, such as a tumor or a lesion that would explain your anxiety and depression. But, psychotropic medication is not used to treat organic problems like these—procedures like surgery, radiation, or chemotherapy is.

The article will conclude in Part 2

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7 Responses to “It’s My Brain”: Part 1

  1. Barbara says:

    YES — Rule out underlying physical causes before resorting to drugs whose mechanism is theoretical at best and effects on rest of body unknown. After nearly 20 years on nearly every drug currently thought to have antidepressant properties (except MAOIs), I was diagnosed with a cluster of autoimmune endocrine disorders including Premature Ovarian Failure which was likely a cause of the general malaise which was treated as ‘depression’ with SSRIs that complicated the endocrine picture and mood by CREATING further imbalances. Psychotropic drugs – SSRIs being the most potent – are neurohormones that effect virtually every part of the body, often with permanent damage. An endocrinologist or neurologist would never utilize hormones or dopamine without solid evidence of disease (bloodwork or imaging). The massive damage done by psychiatry will become evident in the next decade: Parkinsons, stroke, osteoporosis, frontal lobe syndromes, GI damage, eye damage, diabetes.

    There ARE cases in which psych meds are appropriate for a specific period of time. If a doctor says they will be needed for the rest of your life — RUN!

  2. Reader says:


    So, are you saying anything other than a physical injury should require medication only initially? Things like bipolar disorder and depression? That Serotonin re-uptake controller can be corrected through psychotherapy? I thought that was a physical condition, though maybe caused by excessive stress early in life.

    • I’m saying that taking medication or not is the personal choice of the client. The client has to decide if he wants to take it or not and for how long he wants to stay on it. This is true for any recommendation from a health professional about any type of treatment (i.e., surgery, vaccination, a cast). This is also true whether it’s for a psychological problem or a physical one. The health professional’s job is to make recommendations (hopefully reasoned and informed ones) based on the science that is currently available, and on his or her best assessment of the client’s condition. The client then decides to either follow the professional’s recommendation, reject it, or get a second opinion. The idea that depression, bipolar disorder, or any other mental disorder is CAUSED by a “chemical imbalance” is hypothetical. To date, there is no conclusive evidence that supports this. My comments in part 2 of this article will elaborate on this. You can also read a previous post of mine entitled, “Is Depression Caused by a Chemical Imbalance?” to hear my views on the cause of psychological problems and the concept of a chemical imbalance.

  3. Reader says:

    That question was for Steve.

  4. Nancy Lee Nease says:

    As someone who has suffered from depression for many years, I found that the drugs prescribed for me (and there were all the majors) never relieved the depression. Also, talk therapy was unsuccessful in reducing this condition. Recently I was given the opportunity to avail myself of brain wave technology sessions at Brain State Technology in Scottsdale, Arizona. The first session includes a brain wave analysis, from which a program is designed individually to deal with five areas of concern that I wanted to address. I chose cognitive ability, vision, depression, weight control and ADD. After ten 90 minute sessions in which I literally heard my brain waves, my future appears much brighter. By the end of the week, I felt emotionally lighter and have found myself incrementally overcoming dread, procrastination and using food to hide from my feelings.

    Not being trained as a mental health practioner in any way shape or form, perhaps I didn’t put restrictions on what I would achieve, but left it open to experience what worked for me. I think this treatment is one that should be considered for those who want to try and eliminate medication as the standard and for those whom talk therapy had no results. Let the brain have the opportunity to fix itself through nanoscience.

    • Thanks for your comment Nancy. I can’t comment on the treatment you describe, because I am not familiar with it. What I will say is for anyone considering any type of treatment for a psychological problem to do their own research on its effectiveness, cost, and legitimacy. Do the same research on the provider you are considering, just as you would if you were going to have heart surgery. There are a lot of kooky treatments out there that claim to be miracle cures, but are really scams. There is no miracle treatment for psychological problems (as of yet)–if there were, it would be blasted all over the media and we would quickly eradicate these issues. But, that is not currently the case.

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